I ... version of AGS editor w/o SQ4 font embedded (please) {apparenty SOLVED}

[Santiago_Joven]

HI, I need a version of AGS editor without SQ4 font embedded, because I think the SQ4 game and stuff was copyrighted and I don't want to break the law just by having a copy of AGS editor on the PC. Thanks if anyone can help.
(I tried replacing the fonts, and it worked, but I think the SQ4 fonts were still embedded in the editor, because at the push of a button, they would reappear.)
I deleted the AGS editor temporarily until I can get a SQ4 speech-font less embedded version or until I can find out if SQ4 is public domain or whatever.
I still saved my game folder though,

(without the mp3 support in editor too)

If anyone can help, Thanks, I like AGS and don't want to be without it.
-James

NOTE: It looks like SSH made a version without any issues (see page 3) 

[LGM]

Ummm... As far as I know.. No one has been arrested for having a font from a 15 year old game included in a freeware program on their PC.

And even if it was breaking copyright... CJ would be responsible, not you.

[Oliwerko]

Wow, never heard about things like that. Are you really so Lawful-Good  ?
I don't think you must fear about cops breaking into your home and finding a font from KQ4 and taking you with the handcuffs to their car, you know.

[Kinoko]

Still.

Wouldn't that be fantastic?

[RickJ]

What do you mean when you say "...AGS editor without SQ4 font embedded...".  The game fonts are not embedded in the AGS  editor.  They are saved in game templates so when you create a new game from a tmplate you get what ever the template designer gives you.   

It's possible to import new fonts into a game and delete existing fonts from a game.  So if you are not happy with the fonts in your game change them.  There are a number of bitmap fonts on the AGS website which you can download and use.  You can also import true-type fonts or create your own using Radiant Font Editor which is also available from the AGS website. 

Having SQ4 fonts in your game isn't really a problem until you publish it.  Don't worry, just have fun learning AGS. 

Cheers

[voh]

Honestly, if you worry about this, the world's going to be a scary place for you. That there's a font in the standard AGS install that's virtually the same as the SQ4 font isn't going to cause you any problems. To be honest, Sierra doesn't even exist in any respectable form anymore, and Vivendi hardly cares about Sierra's older products. It took Vivendi oodles of time to learn about a fangame which was infringing on the NAME of one of their products.

And the reason for that is because they've got a franchise in their portfolio and others making money off of that would be bad for the company.

Now read what you posted again. You're worrying about a font. I really, REALLY doubt anyone's going to give any excrements about that at all.

Stop worrying, re-download AGS and start working on your game. Use a different font than the SQ4 if it's still important to you, but don't ditch the program just because of something which (guaranteed) will not cause problems for you.

Now, uploading the entire Space Quest, King's Quest and Quest for Glory catalogue on your website.

THAT'S enough to get Vivendi's interest.

*lovingly fondles his cease and desist letter*

[Santiago_Joven]

The game fonts are not embedded in the AGS  editor.  They are saved in game templates so when you create a new game from a tmplate you get what ever the template designer gives you.   

Thanks for everybody's replies.

Is it possible for me to remove the SQ4 fonts from the editor? Or the "template"? Because I replaced them in the editor, but at the push of a button, they misteriously re-appear. They're embedded somewhere I suspect.  Does anybody have a solution for me?

Thanks again.

-James

[Khris]

Which button, exactly?

To humor you, I've created a new empty game, replaced all three fonts with Arial, saved and exited.
Re-opened the game, and all fonts were still Arial.

(I'm really tempted to make fun of your paranoia here... did you *read* what we told you about the copyright stuff?)

[RickJ]

Well if you deleted all fonts from the game AGS will probably do the same thing that is done of you do  a "Reset Fonts" command, rather than allow the game to have no fonts at all.  So import some new fonts and then delete the ones you don't want.

[Santiago_Joven]

Thanks for all the replies, I think the button that brings out the SQ4 speech fonts is called "reset fonts". I think the fonts are embedded somewhere, because when I replace them with my own fonts, and then reset fonts, the SQ4 fonts appear out of somewhere. So, unless i'm totally mistaken or something, it's illegal for me to even have the editor on my PC because it has the SQ4 speech font embedded in it somewhere.

Thanks for all the replies and if anybody can help me or set me straight, please do so. (If my thinking is backwards or something) 

Love, James 

[InCreator]

I think you're weird.

Then again, that font DOES get old over so much time and countless games using same font. With all the masters of all trades around here, why not make unique AGS default font?

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Santiago, you've made three posts and they all say the same thing. Everyone *has* tried to set you straight.

If you still haven't got it, then my advice is, forget AGS, as "Reset fonts" will always bring up that dreaded font.

And btw,

So, unless i'm totally mistaken or something, it's illegal for me to even have the editor on my PC because it has the SQ4 speech font embedded in it somewhere.

You *are* totally mistaken, but everybody already explained you *why*.

[InCreator]

So, unless i'm totally mistaken or something, it's illegal for me to even have the editor on my PC because it has the SQ4 speech font embedded in it somewhere.

Even at my best, I cannot really understand this... heavy sickness of political correctness. Best way to have no friends?

But as far as I've noticed, MANY games besides SQ feature the same font, and they're not connected to either Sierra-Online nor AGS. And I don't think that developers simply created identical font. It's as good as to complain about old games using default font of screenmode 13h.

Is it legal for you to surf the web, with most sites using Verdana, Arial or Times New Roman fonts, including these forums?

Why do you whine about font anyway? AGS is not intended for some-undescribed-everyday-USAGE, but for creating games, and in your game, you can create custom save/load/whatever screens for EVERYTHING, and replace font everywhere. Inside the editor, as soon as you have replaced default three fonts, you cannot see them anywhere anymore, so you're not actually seeing or using them. So, you're not really doing anything illegal... I think.

[Ishmael]

Microsoft aren't watching, I can assure you. Or if they are, they just don't care. Atleast not about Flight Simulator X, so why should anyone care about a font from a old game by a company that in a way doesn't even exist anymore?

I second the notion, if you still don't get it, AGS is not for you.

[Gilbet V7000a]

I think that's not something to care much about, since there're already A LOT of other stuff that may violate copyrights in much more serious extend in probably every computers anyway, but no one would really notice them (or knows about them). The main problem was with over-reacted concern about really minor matters, that probably less than 0.001% of people would care about (probably not even the copyright "owners").

If you're really that serious about AGSEdit containing the SQ4 font, just pay for a legal copy of SQ4 and install it in your harddrive (and that's not a bad idea, since SQ4 is worth owning). This way you can have SQ4 and its files legally lying in your computer. Then, having AGS in the same computer is just like copying a file from a folder to another, which should be absolutely legal as long as you don't really use that font in your productions.

[Oliwerko]

If you're really that serious about AGSEdit containing the SQ4 font, just pay for a legal copy of SQ4 and install it in your harddrive (and that's not a bad idea, since SQ4 is worth owning). This way you can have SQ4 and its files legally lying in your computer. Then, having AGS in the same computer is just like copying a file from a folder to another, which should be absolutely legal as long as you don't really use that font in your productions.

This is going really insane, people. I don't know if you, Santiago_Joven are weird in all other things, but this is INSANE. Exactly like Rui wrote. Don't you fear to browse the internet ? With all this "illegal" content ? Am I an outlaw when I have 20MB cache in Opera saving the internet "copyrighted" things on my HD ? Do you investigate fonts in your mobile phone, wheter they are copyrighted or not ?

*Btw - how can you tell that a difference between SQ4 font and an *EXACT* copy of it made by CJ ?

[Radiant]

*Btw - how can you tell that a difference between SQ4 font and an *EXACT* copy of it made by CJ ?

By the low ASCIIs, if you must know. That doesn't make the OP's question any less silly, though. Use Radiant FontEdit and create your own font, problem solved.

[covox]

You're a loony. If you're worried about copyright infringement with regards to decade-old bitmap fonts, please take it as read that the entertainment industry as a whole no longer gives a stuff; they're too busy ruining all the new games with intrusive copyprotection.

[BOYD1981]

i'm no law expert or anything, but if it were illegal wouldn't the responsibility fall upon CJ and not the people creating games with AGS (or those who just have it sitting on their hard drives)?
i seem to remember a case wherein it was found that both Microsoft and Sony had violated some copyright law over the force feedback motors in their control pads or something. the lawsuit was only against the two companies and not those who had bought their products, and the products that are still in use before the lawsuit aren't regarded as illegal, therefore there is no reason to worry.

but having said that, you might not want to use roger in your game either as you know, he's copied from space quest and everything.

[Oliwerko]

Thx Radiant, I was curious. I'm learning every day